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Morning Roundup for May 1, 2012

by: Right Reformer

Tue May 01, 2012 at 10:00:00 AM EDT


Welcome to May folks. May Day is something of a mixed holiday for conservatives, as it's both Law Day and International Workers' Day.

Presidential politics:

Obama:  The President's team is certainly making it clear it will be politicizing the successful raid that led to Osama bin Laden's death last year. I don't fault them for being good at politics, though I do think this gives an opening for Republicans to show that Obama is deliberately playing politics with the bin Laden killing. Recall that Obama explicitly denounced politicizing the killing.

Romney: Romney was smart to respond that "even Jimmy Carter" would have given the order to kill bin Laden. That's a pitch perfect response that 1. brings up Jimmy Carter; 2. answers the criticism in the broadest possible terms, i.e. of course I'd have people kill bin Laden; and 3. forces Obama to either double-down or drop the line of attack by explaining what they mean in their anti-Romney attack in more nuanced terms.

Forward:  The Obama campaign obviously can't use "change" as its moniker for 2012, so they're adopting "forward" as the new slogan. Remember "winning the future"? That was also a nice slogan before they realized Speaker Gingrich had written a book with a similar title. And why the homage to MSNBC's "lean forward' campaign?

Paul:  The Paul campaign continues to do well in the delegate machinations that are appearing to increase its delegate count and embarrass the would-be Romney delegates. Massachusetts, Louisiana, and Alaska are the latest successful targets. (disclosure -- I am working for the Romney campaign).

Libertarians: The LP ticket appears to be almost set, with a Johnson/Gray ticket appearing likely. Gray says they have "a 1.5%" chance of winning. While that's not actually true, give him credit not boasting that they have a good shot of winning.

True Vote: Wall Street Journal author John Fund is taking the helm of the voter ID battle, having written a book called Stealing Elections. I saw fund speak in San Francisco last month, and he was still very happy about the James O'Keefe/Eric Holder hidden video cam from Washington DC.

Veepstakes:

Christie: The New Jersey Governor says Romney might convince him to join the ticket, since Romney's a "convincing guy." I think Christie is a great Governor, but won't change the dynamic of the race much, and would actually hurt his standing in New Jersey by joining the national ticket.

Ayotte: My number 4 pick for VP is getting more buzz after a rally with Governor Romney. Even those of you don't think it will be Ayotte probably put her as either the first or second most likely female VP pick.

Palin: Not that Governor Palin is in the mix for Romney's VP, but Bristol Palin went out of her way to defend her mother, saying McCain didn't make a mistake by picking Palin in 2008. Maybe not, but I'm still upset he didn't pick Chuck Norris to consolidate the Huckabee vote.

Senate:

VA-Sen: The Kaine-Allen race is starting to heat up, and Kaine is after Mark Warner's heart. Warner is the popular former Governor-turned-Senator and viewed as a moderate figure in the state. The GOP needs to do its best to divide Warner's image from Kaine's.

FL-Sen: A pro-Mack SuperPAC is airing an ad featuring Connie Mack's Dad, as well as a hit against Bill Nelson on the keystone pipeline and his pro-Obama tendencies. George LeMieux has alleged that Mack is trying to confuse voters by making them think he's his father, Connie Mack III. The SuperPAC ad certainly won't defuse that allegation.

MA-Sen: Elizabeth Warren is on the defensive for having mentioned in a legal reference book that she had American Indian ancestry. Apparently her "family lore" includes tales of her American Indian heritage. Warren says she's proud of her heritage, which I suppose is pretty unclear at this point. The degree to which she participated in an ongoing sham by the various law schools where she taught is still hard to decipher. Did she know she was being touted as a minority law professor at any of the schools where she taught?

Governor's Races:

WI-Gov: I'm linking to this article because I like seeing "Scott Walker makes it rain" at the Huffington Post. Walker raised $13 million last quarter, of which he still has almost $5 million on hand, dwarfing his Democratic opponents. I'd love to see Walker spend money doing positive ads about how he's improving Wisconsin. He now has the money to do it.

WA-Gov: Jay Inslee knows he needs to attach his star to Obama and Cantwell for his race against Rob McKenna. But his latest help comes from Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and a few Obama campaign staffers. The article describes Schultz as "brassy," which is a nice attempt at being diplomatic and also getting across a subtle point.

NC-Gov: Walter Dalton is looking good to win the Democratic primary in North Carolina, and the right to lose to future Governor Pat McCrory (R). Dalton isn't quite to 40% in PPP's latest poll, but he's close enough that he'll probably get there.

House:

WI-8:  Reid Ribble is looking for summer interns. Send a resume, writing sample, and references to derek.ellerman@mail.house.gov

AL-6:  Congrats to Spencer Bachus, who was cleared on ethics charges by the Office of Congressional Ethics. Well I guess that was a long strange trip for nothing.

CA-30: Two of my favorite actresses, Betty White and Wendy Malick, have cut an ad for Howard Berman. This race is over folks. :)
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IN-Sen
two good recaps of the Mourdock-Lugar race. 3 Basic messages: This campaign is all about negative TV Ads, Lugar doesn't know how to campaign, and Mourdock is doing an excellent job of being a generic non-Lugar vote.

http://www.politico.com/news/s...
http://www.rollcall.com/news/t...

R, MA-7/MD-7/moving to WV-1

Benefiting greatly from being the only other prominent candidate
At first it looked like there might be 2 or 3 challengers to Lugar. By being the only one, Mourdock can consolidate every type of anti-Lugar voter out there.

If you had asked me a year ago whether I preferred a challenger in Indiana, I'd say no. Now I think Lugar is doing more damage than good digging in and continuing to hit Mourdock hard.

Born: CA-22 (Nunes); Just Left: CA-12 (Pelosi); Now: CO-1 (Degette)

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FL-26
Joe Garcia back for round 3. http://atr.rollcall.com/florid...

R, MA-7/MD-7/moving to WV-1
We'll need to spend more propping up Rivera now.


20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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Where do Floridians retire to?
Let's find out when Garcia gets curb stomped once again.

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.
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WV poll
Mitt up 17, Manchin up 52!!, Tomblin up 28!!
Romney was favored by 36 percent of registered Democrats, while registered Republicans offered cross-party support for Manchin and Tomblin.

Tomblin got 38 percent of Republican support in the poll, while nearly 65[!!!!] percent of GOP voters picked Manchin over Raese.



24, Male, R, NY-10

Christie-Toomey 2016!

Link
http://www.dailymail.com/News/...

24, Male, R, NY-10

Christie-Toomey 2016!

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Registered Dems

The poll shows Romney at 36% among registered West Virginia Democrats, reinforcing the idea that there will be a significant protest vote in the Democratic primary next Tuesday.  Indeed 10% of the entire sample was undecided and if even 5% of registered Dems are undecided, then Obama is under 60% among West Virginia Dems.  
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Well, it looks like WV will be a snooze fest.


21, Conservative, NC-02 (SC-04 college) Rom 8:38-39    
[ Parent ]
This is an online poll.
Next.  

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.
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No, their last poll was online.
This was live caller. Look again.  

21, Conservative, NC-02 (SC-04 college) Rom 8:38-39    
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Still seriously doesn't pass the smell test
It's hard to believe any Democrat in this day and age getting two-thirds of the Republican vote. Even unfunded some dudes can usually hold half their own party.

Were there any crosstabs on this? I can't find any.

R, MA-7/MD-7/moving to WV-1

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Oh I agree.
He's not going to win with 71%.

But its not because it was online, was my point.  

21, Conservative, NC-02 (SC-04 college) Rom 8:38-39    

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Yes, a loser is not the best candidate
you could have pulled here. A State Rep or local office someone would have at least had a clean slate.  
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Manansanity
I encourage the DCCC to keep on wasting their resources and to keep diverting donor money to PA House races, especially when I consider everything but PA-08 absolutely bulletproof. Trivedi(!111!1!), Badey(!1!1), and Maggi were all moved onto the DCCC's "Red to Blue" list.

http://www.politicspa.com/dccc...

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.

Trivedi and Badey
I think someone should inform the DCCC that Trivedi is raising money primarily from the Indian-American community outside of PA-6 and Badey gave himself a loan.  It seems like the DCCC might have fallen for the identity politics mantra for Trivedi again.  Being a minority does not qualify you for office or make you a good candidate by itself.  Way too many people seem to think that especially on the progressive end of the spectrum.

27, Republican, PA-6
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Trivedi
The guy is a loser and a money hole but his resume is fine, he's a veteran and a doctor, that's a fairly generic resume and could probably be applied to several other candidates, white candidates, Democrats and Republicans, running this cycle.

(-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem
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Agree
His resume is not bad.  If he was not in Robeson Township, Berks County, he probably would not be a bad state house or state senate candidate.  

27, Republican, PA-6
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Morning Thoughts
Paul: This may amount to nothing, but it's worrying to me interms of future party functions.

Forward: Progressives are clearly being targeted for motivation.

Christie/Ayotte: Neither should be the VP pick, though they'd both probably be great in the role.

VA-Sen: If I were George Allen, I'd make sure to do some extra campaign stops in Southwest VA, where Warner is unusually popular.

FL-Sen: Finally we see some ads.

WA-Gov: I was talking to my Seattle-dwelling second cousins, one of whom is a public defender, and they don't like McKenna, though that shouldn't be a surprise. They were also surprised to learn that all of Seattle's suburbs voted for Obama.

NC-Gov: I thought that Etheridge was the favorite, but I guess that I was wrong. Etheridge seemed to have the broadest appeal.

AL-06: I'm glad to see this.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)

Progressives and McKenna
FWIW, my best friend lives in Bellevue, WA (when not at college). Who lives two doors down from him? Rob McKenna. My best friend doesn't care much about politics (yet self identifies as a Democrat) but his mom is a UW Madison educated Jew and his dad, a lawyer, was born and raised in Alameda County (San Leandro). As I hope you can guess, they're progressive Democrats.

They know McKenna personally very well and really like his personality. They say he's a very good guy. From what I perceived, he may have earned their vote for AG but I doubt they pull the lever for him for governor (but who knows, they might). Point is, even progressives like him personally. He's a likable guy.  

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.

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Well, that doesn't apply to my progressive relatives.
They don't like him because they think that he focused on things that get media attention, like pot prosecutions and Obamacare. You have to remember, the husband is a public defender.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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Really
So he should not enforce the laws regarding drugs?  I thought that was part of the job of attorneys general.  In most states, they handle crimes with a nexus in multiple counties, which often means drug trafficking prosecutions.

27, Republican, PA-6
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Well, he thinks that county DAs should handle the drug cases.
He sees AG as a much more removed position, appropriate fro things like the Obamacare lawsuit, but of course he thinks that that was a waste of time and resources as well. You have to remember, these are Beacon Hill (the Seattle neighborhood) progressives we're talking about. He's a public defender (in private practice, since WA contracts with private firms for their public defenders) and she's a VP at Starbucks. Her grandfather was Nebraska Governor Frank Morrison (D). His father was Gary Hart's AA and is a former Chairman of the Colorado Democratic Party. They were astounded when I told them that Obama actually won Bellevue.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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Bellevue
They were astounded when I told them that Obama actually won Bellevue.

From visiting Bellevue for a single week, it was fairly obvious to me (in the age before I knew about DRA) that it was a Democratic leaning place. It is filled with young professionals, tech hq type buildings, and has a fairly big asian population. It also has the normal residential neighborhoods that most suburbs have, but Bellevue has a semi-urban downtown area just like Evanston does.

It's surprising they had no idea. (snark) Maybe it's because that reactionary extremist Dave Reichert represents it in Congress. (/snark)

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.

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Actually, that was part of it,
though they didn't put those labels on him.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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Judging by their professions. . .
I'm sure that my description what they were thinking of Sheriff Dave.

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.
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The local image of Bellevue is different from reality
You have it right from your observations.

However, the image of Bellevue really applies to the nearby town of Medina. (It's the home of Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Ichiro. President Obama also carried Medina, but it is more of a ritzy swing area which Romney might do better in).  

Some of my best friends call me a "Demoncrat"

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Medina, WA
Yeah, I remember Rossi did quite well there, overperforming Obama by a bigger margin than in almost anywhere else.

BTW, I'm adding Mercer Island to my mental list of places that the GOP should clean up socioeconomically but has tanked in due to the culture wars.

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.

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They're family, so I love them, but
I watch carefully what I say in the political realm when I visit with this side of the family.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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Thoughts
LP: Earlier in the cycle Johnson talked about recruiting a big name onto the campaign, possibly with the ability to self-fund. That obviously didn't pan out- an article in the DC noted they asked Judge Andrew Napolitano, former Rep. Barry Goldwater Jr., and DC EiC Tucker Carlson first. I am surprised that Peter Thiel was not on that list, but he is notoriously skeptical of electoral politics and has some weird things in his background to be.

Paul: Worth noting that Paul did not sweep Alaska. He got his guys in the 6 delegate slots already allocated to him, the Chair of the party (who is a superdelegate, but because of the AKGOP's weird rules I am not sure if he will count as such at the RNC), and all 6 of Santorum's alternates. In Massachusetts last I heard Paul won 17 (all pledged to Romney), with 2 races undetermined before provisional ballots.


libertarian Republican, TX-14/MN-04

Very interesting, didn't know this
"Money raised in excess of normal limits during that period also had to be spent, which is why Walker went through $10 million in that window."

Wondered why his burn rate was so high...

NY-3

I didn't know that there was a fundraising limit in WI.
At least that means that they're contacting voters early and often.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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Of course, money spent that early . . .
may have been less effective.  

I wonder if Walker could have paid his staff and campaign workers early, leaving more money for ads for the end of the campaign.

Curious where all those millions went.  

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Expenditure report
Television ads and Mailings, large volumes though. Like 700k for 1 mailing!

NY-3
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Let me clarify
that the money he spent was those collected in bulk, like 100k donations. Small donations didn't need to be spent so that compromises most of his CoH.

NY-3
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A headline I never thought I'd see
Rick Santorum Denies Photographing Lindsay Lohan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.

I thought the Jimmy Carter reference was odd
At least to me, comparing Obama to Carter only highlights the risk Obama took in authorizing the raid. I'm sure Jimmy Carter's failed attempt to use commandos to rescue the Iranian hostages and the political price he suffered because of it was in the back of Obama's mind.  

30, Left leaning indie, MA-7
I think it works
"Even Jimmy Carter" is shorthand for this is a non-issue, since clearly he's not praising a Democratic peacenik President. I don't think mentioning Carter hurts Obama as much as some people think, but I do believe the response takes the issue off the table for Romney.

The real genius is that the issue has now been framed broadly. Would you order the raid that killed bin Laden? Of course, who wouldn't. Obama tried to make it about the shrewd steps his administration took to find bin Laden, but now the issue is just the killing itself. Romney wins the battle.

Born: CA-22 (Nunes); Just Left: CA-12 (Pelosi); Now: CO-1 (Degette)

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POTUS: On Foward.....
Really? Am I the only one who sees the irony in a President whose foreign policy has been based on the doctrine of "Leading From Behind" adopting a campaign slogan of "Foward"?
His slogan is so ripe for parody I dont know where to begin. Hopefully we can all fast forward to President Romney.
Foriegn Policy
Is not a winning issue for anyone, as it just highlights the hypocrisy of both sides. Obama for making an issue of it, and the GOP/Romney for making an issue of doing something they would do if they were in his place. I have zero doubt whoever was President would have done the same thing on the Bin Ladin issue and I also have no doubt they also would have tried to take political credit for it. I also have no doubt the opposition party would correctly accuse them of politizing it.

We have been through this before with Bush's absurd "there have been no attacks since 9/11 thing".

Its also not going to move anyone in any direction. Romney would be making a mistake to run on foreign policy both because the differences with Obama's policy are at the margins, and its unclear whether the vast majority of those differences are actually popular.

25 NH-01/London/MA-07

Centrist Foreign Policy Realist - Tory in the UK, RINO locally

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New Josh Mandel Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Solid ad but again he still looks and sounds like he's 17.  

20, Thatcherite,  

Mandel
Haha, he needs a Brian Wilson beard (google "Brian Wilson beard").

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.
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A Brian Wilson beard?
I'd be shocked if Mandel could grow a hipster mustache, let alone a goatee.  
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That being said
I like two things Mandel is doing: defining himself early by his military career, and on a more subtle note, appearing with his wife during the disclaimer. The military theme will help diffuse attacks that he's too green and not ready for the Senate, and the shot with his wife makes him look like an adult with a family, rather than a kid just out of college not responsible for anyone but himself.
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Here's the new Obama ad
and the details of the buy: Link

$458,883 in airtime so far in Ohio, $88,455 in Iowa and $72,845 in Virginia for ads running May 1 to May 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

It's mainly a negative ad hitting Romney for outsourcing jobs but also has a positive note.

(-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem

Club for Growth
endorses Tom Massie, Keith Rothfus, Ron Gould

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/

PS: Still nothing from Joe Schwarz

MI-6: Fed up with Fred Upton

Primary day is coming
real soon for Kentucky and Massie's race of KY4.

I may do an update on that race later this week. With the new lines KY4 is almost a certain GOP lock this fall.

[ Parent ]
Is this
Massie's race to lose? Has Rand endorsed anyone?

26, IL-7,Fiscal Conservative
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Rand has not endorsed
as he has several allies in race but he is clearly closer to Massie.  Davis and Bunning have endorsed E-Webb.  All the energy seems to be with those two top contenders.  
[ Parent ]
Rand did pretty well in the counties of this district
in both the primary and the general election. If he endorsed Massie, would it be his race to lose? I see that Massie has the support of the Louisville Tea Party, Young Americans for Liberty, and the Ron Paul crowd. Do you have a prediction?

26, IL-7,Fiscal Conservative
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He said he might endorse
depending on what other folks might do not too long ago. Massie and Rand met up not too long ago.

I spoke to one of Rand's old campaign staff last weekend, and he pointed out that Grayson must be really kicking himself for leaving the state. He would have been a strong candidate here.

Also of note, Bunning noted when commenting on his endorsement that he regrets endorsing Rand Paul (not that he was a fan of Grayson by any stretch of the mind).

libertarian Republican, TX-14/MN-04

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Rand Paul
Why does Bunning regret his endorsement?

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.
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Disappointed with his votes
Didn't specify which ones. My guess is Rand is more libertarian than he would have wanted, but that is pure speculation. Rand did block the synthetic weed ban.

libertarian Republican, TX-14/MN-04
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McConnell
got in hot water with Rand in 2010, and before that, for interjecting himself into party primaries.  

So McConnell did not endorse in KY4. I think Rand is stuck in the middle on this one as he certainly spoke out against McConnell involving himself in party primaries.  Yet several Paul staff members or ex campaign workers are employed by Massie.  So I suspect most of the Paul forces in the area are with Massie.

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Is it just me?
Or is the CFG moving more libertarian these days? Back when Toomey wrote his book its economic policy was not very Austrian. But now Justin Amash got 100% on their scorecard and they keep endorsing folks from the same crowd.

libertarian Republican, TX-14/MN-04
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Not just you
I've been noticing that, too. I'm really pleased by the C4G and value it way more than the Chamber of Commerce these days.

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.
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I guess that is a matter of prespective
because their selections in 2010 and who Dr. Dobson (formerly of focus on the family) were nearly 100% one in the same. When I think of Dobson Liberterian is not the word that comes to my mind.

I have a hard time seperating CFG views and classic Reaganomics so I do not really see the Liberterian streak.

That being said CFG harkens back to what used to be just Generally Accepted Republican small government principles.  Cut spending, cut taxes, cut regulations and let the free market be free!!!

I think generally CFG is looking for candidates who will not be afraid of taking stands that will get them into trouble with GOP leadership.  So it is looking for the guys or gals who will focus on moving the country to the right and not just winning votes in congress.

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Occupy Cleveland
http://thirdbasepolitics.blogs...

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2
Well, we all know that Tea Partiers were just as violent. Oh wait...


20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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PPP has Obama up 8 in VA
http://www.publicpolicypolling...

21, Conservative, NC-02 (SC-04 college) Rom 8:38-39    
That's bad news
McDonnell doesn't change the equation either, in their poll. McDonnell is popular at 46-36, but not so popular that he's pulling voters from Obama. Obama doesn't have any room to go up, but he's already at 51% in the poll.

I think Romney needs to carry Virginia or Pennsylvania to win (there's an IA-NV-NH combo that gets him a tie, or an IA-CO-NH that gives him a win, but both are less likely I think).

Born: CA-22 (Nunes); Just Left: CA-12 (Pelosi); Now: CO-1 (Degette)

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Party Breakdown

This poll has a seven-point partisan identification edge for the Dems (39-32), which I find entirely unbelievable.  The Dem edge was only six in 2008, and there is no way that it will be matched, let alone exceeded in 2012.    
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Adjust it to 4
And what do you get?

32/M/D/NY-01 DKE:Socks The Cat

Hillary/Booker 2016
[ Parent ]
The poll also has a 47 / 43 Obama McCain vote split
President Obama carried VA by 6 in '08.

Some of my best friends call me a "Demoncrat"
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WI-Gov: Everybody's fundraising reports.
Walker: $13.2M raised, $4.9M COH
Falk: $977K raised, 118K COH
Barrett: $831K (in one month) raised, $475K COH
La Follette: $118K raised, $8K COH
Vinehout: $44K, $13.5K COH

Link

(-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem

Genealogist Finds Record of Warren's American-Indian Ancestry
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05...

A genealogist in Boston said Tuesday that he had found evidence that Elizabeth Warren has an American Indian ancestor, a great-great-great grandmother listed as Cherokee on her son's 1894 marriage record.

Lol. Well, there you go.

26, R, PA-01.



Hah. I don't think that will satisfy the blood quantum.
"Family lore" turns into "mentioned in a job interview" turns into "listed in a legal reference book" turns into "official law school reported numbers."

Warren had to know this was happening and failed to step in to stop it. Why not correct the record?

Born: CA-22 (Nunes); Just Left: CA-12 (Pelosi); Now: CO-1 (Degette)

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The requirement varies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

The way I read it, for Cherokees, it might be 1/4, 1/16, or one drop.  

Some of my best friends call me a "Demoncrat"

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It's mother's line for Cherokee
I have some Cherokee myself, but wouldn't qualify.

My adopted brother & sister might if they had more written documentation.


41 Male Republican, Maryland Heights, MO (MO-2). Previously lived in both Memphis and Nashville.

[ Parent ]
To Qualify, Don't You Need To Be "1/8"?
"Great-great-great" doesn't translate to "1/8", if my math is right...  ;)  
[ Parent ]
well
If they use the 1 drop rule....perhaps not.

26, R, PA-01.



[ Parent ]
You have to see how silly this whole arguement is
When people refer to Affirmative Action to help Native Americans they are referring to impoverished Native Americans living on reservations that the US government forced their ancestors to move to. Not a white liberal like Elizabeth Warren who exploited the fact that her great great great grandmother might have been half Native American. What Warren has done is just plain wrong and if she has any decency she should be ashamed of herself.
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Of course she does not
She is an academic.  That means she has no shame and could care less what the 99% of the world outside of academia cares.

And yes... I find many in academia to be frauds or of questionable moral character.

27, Republican, PA-6

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requirements very by tribe
Cherokee use the mother's line.

I don't see them ever lowering that requirement as one drop from all possible lines for Cherokee would cover a very large percentage of Whites living in the southeast and Oklahoma.


41 Male Republican, Maryland Heights, MO (MO-2). Previously lived in both Memphis and Nashville.

[ Parent ]
Do we know if Warren is straight matrilinear?
If she is, I don't see this as a giant problem. Obviously she doesn't look Cherokee, but this wouldn't be an issue if we replaced it with "Jewish". I'm like 1/8 Jewish, straight matrilinear, and don't identify as such because, seriously, in Germany no one even told me that I technically could be accepted into the Jewish community with that, but whenever I mention that to Jews they're all excited and go like "Hey, you're one of us!".
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Warren, NA status, & the issue at hand.
What colleges or employers have in mind when they look to help out Native American applicants is helping a kid who grew up in extreme poverty on a reservation with sub-standard schools and sub-standard healthcare in Oklahoma or Idaho and has worked hard and may need that little extra boost. If Warren is 1/32nd Cherokee and has been claiming to consider herself Cherokee, it means that that claim may have helped her in one way or another, whether it have been admissions to college/university, hiring, or moving up in her department at a school. She's ~97% white and did not grew up in the disparate conditions that most Native Americans grow up in. She had to know that claiming Native American heritage would very likely have helped her in one way or another and her saying otherwise is disingenuous. At the point where you're 97% white and never lived on a reservation, self-identifying as Native American just doesn't make sense to me.

The difference between claiming Jewish and NA heritage is that claiming Jewish heritage would do you no good in terms of hiring, admissions, etc. whereas claiming NA heritage surely would.

From suburban Chicago's North Shore, now living on suburban Philadelphia's Main Line. Back home until July.

[ Parent ]
Cherokee don't live in reservations
Indian reservations do not exist in Oklahoma.
Instead; "tribal governments hold land granted during the Indian Territory era, but with limited jurisdiction and no control over state governing bodies such as municipalities and counties" (from the Wikipedia article on OK)

Basically someone looking at simple "native american" hertitage status isn't doing nearly a good enough job; if they intend for only those who live on reservations, they need to include  a question like "What reservation do you live on".

Also, they should ask about their income & tribe name as a few of the north eastern tribes are now wealthy. (They had a monopoly on casinos in parts of the north east for a while.)



41 Male Republican, Maryland Heights, MO (MO-2). Previously lived in both Memphis and Nashville.

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Wow! Warren is really a disgrace and a fraud
To lie and claim you are a Native American for finacial gain and career advancement is really low. For the record Warren is as much a Native American as Barack Obama is. Warren is really a fraud and I hope they really hang her on this one.
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I have multiple Cherokee ancestors (both sides of the family).
Do you see me claiming to be Cherokee? No.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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Tories
I have Tory blood from the American Revolution as some of my ancestors fled Pennsylvania to Canada.  By the Elizabeth Warren standard, I should demand reparations for the ills inflicted on my ancestors.

27, Republican, PA-6
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I guess that you will have to take some of my stuff.
My mother qualifies for DAR.

20, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-08 (home), VA-01 (college)
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