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Speaker Vote Open Thread

by: shamlet

Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:42:45 PM EST


(Thanks to BostonPatriot for help compiling the list)

Republicans Voting Against Boehner:
Amash (Labrador)
Bridenstine (Cantor)
Broun (Allen West)
Garrett (DNV)
Gohmert (West)
Huelskamp (Jordan)
Walter Jones (David Walker)
Labrador (DNV)
Massie (Amash)
Mulvaney (DNV)
Pearce (Cantor)
Stockman (present)
Yoho (Cantor)

Democrats Voting Against Pelosi:
Barrow (Lewis)
Blumenauer (DNV)
Cooper (Colin Powell)
Lipinski (Cooper)
McIntyre (Cooper)
Matheson (Dingell)
Roybal-Allard (DNV)

We're seeing a rarely-used rule applied today: the Speaker of the House need not be a Member. Ex-Rep. Allen West, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and former Comptroller General David Walker all received votes.

UPDATE: (BP) It was a close call, but Speaker Boehner ended up with 220 votes, just more than the 217 needed for re-election. He had only 216 after the initial count, but his own delayed vote counted for the 217th. Michele Bachmann and Marsha Blackburn, who had abstained, then cast votes for Boehner, as did Matt Salmon, who was apparently out of the chamber.

Scott Garrett, Raul Labrador, and Mick Mulvaney did not cast votes, and Steve Stockman voted present. Three Republicans voted for Eric Cantor, two for Allen West, and one each for Jim Jordan, Justin Amash, Raul Labrador, and David Walker.

On the Democratic side, a pair of reliable liberals did not vote, and a scattering of Blue Dogs voted for non-Pelosi Democrats.  

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Rep Jim Cooper D-TN votes for Colin Powell instead of Nancy Pelosi

25, Male, R, NY-10

DesJarlais for Boehner


25, Male, R, NY-10

Is it majority or plurality? (n/t)


33, R, IN-09

Majority
If nobody gets a majority, they have a 2nd vote.

42, R, NE-1.

[ Parent ]
2nd vote
Is it limited to the top 2?

27, R, PA-07.

[ Parent ]
I think so
I'm not absolutely positive, but that would make sense.

42, R, NE-1.

[ Parent ]
i don't believe so
IT has taken many ballots in the past and I'm fairly certain there is no "winnowing" the field

[ Parent ]
Majoriy
It took something like 33 ballots just before the civil war.

[ Parent ]
Majority


(-9.38, -7.49), libertarian socialist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem


[ Parent ]
In the past
I've seen a few people vote for non House members. Back in 1997 I remember at least a few Republicans voted for Rep. Robert Walker of Pennsylvania who had just retired from the House instead of Gingrich.

42, R, NE-1.

You guys are showing 9
CSPAN is showing 6 non Boehner/non Pelosi.

Plus 3 for non-Members
The two Wests and the Powell. Those apparently aren't included in C-SPAN's "other" category.

[ Parent ]
Gohmert
Rep Louie Gohmert R-TX votes for ex Rep Allen West

25, Male, R, NY-10

Good sign for Boehner that Duncan and Gowdy voted for him
The South Carolina delegation tends to vote as a bloc, and he can't afford to lose all of them. If he gets Mulvaney and Wilson he's probably all set.

Costa says Mulvaney just walked out
nt

R, WV-1

[ Parent ]
Thanks Congress
For helping with the pronunciations.

25, Male, R, NY-10

I've been saying Capito wrong for years


[ Parent ]
Mattheson vote
so Mattheson voted for Pelosi?

how did Matheson vote?
It's alphabetical..

27, R, PA-07.

[ Parent ]
Only at the Is
nt

R, WV-1

[ Parent ]
Not yet
They're still on the J's. He'll be up in about 10 minutes.

[ Parent ]
Matheson voted Dingell
nt

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Huelskamp for Jordan...


25, Male, R, NY-10

Idiot
Rep Walter Jones R-NC votes for former GAO head David Walker

25, Male, R, NY-10

One of the things I find funny about this
are the Democrats who feel it necessary to say "Nancy D'Alessandro Pelosi" instead of just Pelosi. I've never heard her referred to by her maiden and married names in that way except in Speaker votes.

42, R, NE-1.

The Italian-Americans are doing it
Capuano was the first one and several others played along. She's the only Italian to serve as Speaker.

[ Parent ]
Jim Jordan for Boehner
That would have been a big one to lose. But it will still be close at the end.

Peter King for Boehner...


25, Male, R, NY-10

Look where King is standing now
looks like the very spot that Boehner has to pass by when climbing up to the Speaker's Chair ... that's gutsy ... and kinda false.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
D
Rep Dan Lipinksi D-IL votes for Rep Jim Cooper

25, Male, R, NY-10

Interesting
I figure this would be seen for what it is: delaying the inevitable. Boehner has shown no resistance to shun members that don't fall in line with chairmanships and committee assignments. I cant imagine he will let this slide.

I am a Tom Rukavina Democrat.

ID Rep Raul Labrador on floor but did not vote when name called


25, Male, R, NY-10

It sounded like he voted for himself


[ Parent ]
Idiot
Rep Thomas Massie R-KY votes for Rep Justin Amash R-KY

25, Male, R, NY-10

Massie won in large part
to the Paul folks who voted and donated vast sums of money to him in the primary. Plus Rand is the state's Senator. I don't find it too shocking or unwarranted.  

27, IL-7, Fiscal Conservative

[ Parent ]
Matheson
Rep Jim Matheson D-UT votes for Rep John Dingell D-MI

25, Male, R, NY-10

WTF???
Is this to just show that he didn't vote for Pelosi and assume that few in Utah know who John Dingell is?

33, R, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Dean of the House
But more importantly, not Nancy Pelosi. Optically, that was a vote to say to his constituents that he isn't a "Pelosi Democrat" or whatever.

I am a Tom Rukavina Democrat.

[ Parent ]
At least Boehner
Knows that he's on a short leash.

25, Male, R, NY-10

Three more needed
We know Schweikert and Stockman will defect.

R, WV-1

Doubt it
especially if he'd be the one denying Boehner the victory on the first ballot ...

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Wilson for Boehner
Congrats, Mr Speaker ... I wouldn't take your job for a million bucks.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Boehner


25, Male, R, NY-10

[ Parent ]
Schweikert for Boehner
must be a huge sigh of relief for Boehner.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Schweikert for Boehner
He thought about it for a while, but pulled the trigger. That ought to do it.

[ Parent ]
Pearce for cantor?
Shocked?

25, Male, R, NY-10

Peterson
For Pelosi.

25, Male, R, NY-10

Price for Boehner


25, Male, R, NY-10

Blackburn
Blackburn voting for herself? Are you 100% sure?

That's quite a surprise, to be perfectly honest. She didn't strike me as the one to (a) vote against Boehner and then (b) vote for herself of all people ...

She always seemed pretty loyal to leadership and was gracious on TV with that fiscal cliff thing.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker


Voting for yourself
Is more a version of abstaining from the voting process than actually indicating you want to be speaker.

23, Libertarian Republican CA-14

Liberals dream things that never were and ask why not.  Conservatives shout back "Because it won't work"


[ Parent ]
Still surprising
to say the least. Did anyone see that coming?

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Seriously, Marsha?
that's kinda cheap, non?

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Did she really vote for herself?
Or did she just abstain the first time around? Because she is supporting Boehner now.

42, R, NE-1.

[ Parent ]
I think it was an abstention
They called the names twice -- when Blackburn didn't answer the first time, they called her name again. I believe it sounded like she had voted for herself but she actually had not voted.

MA-08  

[ Parent ]
Ryan for Boehner


25, Male, R, NY-10

Scalise for Boehner
He just might make it.

After Schweikert voting for him
it'd be a surprise. A closer deal than comfortable, but a victory is a victory.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Way to go Schweikert


25, Male, R, NY-10

Anyone catch Salmon's vote?


Salmon for Boehner
Making him no 220.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Wilson for Boehner


(-9.38, -7.49), libertarian socialist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem


Yoho for Cantor
one vote short of forcing a second ballot if it holds true.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

Yoho for Cantor
One more defection would lead to a second ballot. Did McCarthy whip enough votes?

Yoho for Canter
It goes to a second vote.

(-9.38, -7.49), libertarian socialist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem


Nope
not with those not responding now answering the call. He's at 218 - but it's a cheap play.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Nevermind.
I thought Yoho made the last needed defection, but apparently I miscounted.

(-9.38, -7.49), libertarian socialist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem


[ Parent ]
Even if he had been the one
Blackburn and Bachmann flipping would have put him over the top.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Boehner hadn't voted for himself yet
The Speaker-elect always votes last. So while the counter showed only 216 after the final vote, Boehner's own vote gave him the 217th needed.

[ Parent ]
Boehner elected


25, Male, R, NY-10

Boehner will get it on the revote
Bachmann and Blackburn just flipped

I repeat: Cheap shot
For pomp and circumstances ...

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
revote not needed
they are still calling the names of the people who didn't vote the first time their names were called

42 Male Republican, Maryland Heights, MO (MO-2). Previously lived in both Memphis and Nashville.

[ Parent ]
226 voted?
The clerk said 426 voted. The tally on the screen says 427. Are the remaining 6 among the 5 listed as DNV above? Did they pass or not show up?

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2

Salmon was 427
I think he may have been out of the room. The 6 not counted were the 4 who voted for non-Members, and the two Dems who apparently didn't show up. The Republicans appear to have been recorded as present.

[ Parent ]
They didn't show up?
They had other plans for the day?  

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2

[ Parent ]
Escort Committee
While we're at it ... what's the purpose of the escort committee? Why so many people? I could understand HML, HmL, HMW, HmW, Conference Chairs and the state delegation, but that whole bunch of other people?

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

Why did Schweikert vote for Boehner?
I assume that he learnt his lesson and is trying to be on his good side.  

25, Male, R, NY-10

Why vote against him?
Everyone knew he was going to win, so voting against him is making a symbolic statement that you don't support John Boehner. Maybe that'll endear you to conservative activists but it can't help you in the caucus. Even those who aren't supporters of John Boehner probably perceive you as a horse's posterior for voting just to make the Speaker look bad.

Schweikert removed people from committees for disobedience when he was Majority Whip in Arizona. Unlike the others, he gets it.

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2


[ Parent ]
(Permission to be crass) SO happy
that Pelosi doesn't have a chance to talk about all the good things her Congress did, as she did last time ...

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

House recess
The 112th Congress was gaveled to a close at 11:56:02 am. The 1st session of the 113th Congress was at 12 PM. No word on what lobbyist junkets the congressmen took during those four minutes.

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2

Umm..
Most of the new Congress was already on the floor by the time the 112th adjourned.

[ Parent ]
I wonder if Obama made any recess appointments
During those 4 minutes

42 Male Republican, Maryland Heights, MO (MO-2). Previously lived in both Memphis and Nashville.

[ Parent ]
Maybe
I suspect the reason we had such a short break between the congresses was to avoid recess appointments.

28, Republican, PA-6

[ Parent ]
Does the House have any say in recess appointments?
Isn't it just the Senate?

[ Parent ]
Technically, no
But as I understand it, as long as one chamber is gaveling a day open, the President can't perform recess appointments.

If memory serves right, that was what House GOPers did about two summers ago. One sole member walked in, gaveled "the Hous" in and went out again.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker


[ Parent ]
Correct
Article II, Section 2, Clause 3:

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.


28, Republican, PA-6


[ Parent ]
Recess Appointments end with start of new congress
So any recess appointment would last four minutes.  

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2

[ Parent ]
Boehner did not need 217 or 218 votes.
He needed 215. The relevant majority is "of people who vote for a named candidate".

Thoughts game: First GOP Female Speaker?
Obbvously, there aren't that many fine members to choose from ... who do you think could one day end up being the first GOP Female Speaker?

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

The gentlewoman from Washington


25, Male, R, NY-10

[ Parent ]
I think so, too
but it'll prolly take some more years for her ... both Cantor and McCarthy are young and technically could claim to be first in line of succession, though.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker

[ Parent ]
Agreed
Rodgers is the Conference Chairwoman now and should have a long House career available to her.  There is little risk of losing her seat in reapportionment/redistricting, and Washington State doesn't offer her much of an opportunity to move up to Senator or Governor.  Lynn Jenkins and Kristi Noem are also possible future Speakers, but both should have Senate and/or Governor opportunities available in the next 10-15 years.

33, R, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Ann Wagner too
if she doesn't run in 2018.

R, WV-1

[ Parent ]
True, but age might be a factor
She was born in 1962 and standing wise, McMorris Rodgers would likely be the first to ascend to the Speakership.

I rooted for Wagner for RNC Chair back in the days, personally, I'm glad to see her in the House now.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker


[ Parent ]
Leadership is not necessarily a straight path up
especially on the Republican side. Wagner might have the opportunity to leapfrog via something like NRCC chair.

R, WV-1

[ Parent ]
Interesting thought ...
and as it had been discussed yesterday, I'm not entirely sure that McMorris Rodgers would have the "cojones" to serve as Speaker.

Ann Wagner on the other hand ...  

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker


[ Parent ]
It would have to be McMorris Rodgers, right?
She could, conceivably be Speaker one day. Or, much more likely, there will not be a female Republican Speaker for the foreseeable future.

(-9.38, -7.49), libertarian socialist, KY 01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy."


-- Stanisław Lem


[ Parent ]
All Democratic freshman voted for Pelosi
Clearly, they don't think a vote for Pelosi is political suicide. They may be right. Pelosi is still polarizing but she's surely less relevant than she was 2 years ago. Nevertheless, I suspect that many vulnerable Dems will regret their vote. They might not get booted out of office for it, but they'll surely face a lot of heat for it back home. And for what? A big bear hug from Pelosi? Would she have cared if they defected? It's not like they would have singlehandedly crushed her dream of being speaker. Their support for Pelosi is actually an ominous sign for liberals. If these freshman don't have the political savvy to recognize when to buck party leadership, how can they be expected to have the savvy to win reelection in a tougher electoral climate in '14?

Ryan/Kasich 2016

where would pelosi be 'political suicide'?
These 4 in Romney districts maybe. AZ-1, AZ-2, FL-18, TX-23.

The Democrats won some marginal seats in California but Obama won those districts, and Pelosi is a home-stater.

27, R, PA-07.


[ Parent ]
Meh. Almost all of the Democratic freshmen are from
Democratic-leaning or at least not-Republican-leaning seats.

It might make sense to vote against Pelosi if you're in an R+5 or so, but if you're Raul Ruiz or whatever you put yourself at more risk in a primary by voting against Pelosi than you do in the General by voting for her.

The only people for who it might have made sense to vote for someone else are maybe Gallego and Kirkpatrick.


[ Parent ]
Patrick Murphy's district is R+3
It could hurt him.  

[ Parent ]
It's not 2010 anymore ...
and political memory is short. Plus propably every single one of them owes her big time. With Obama not willing to share his campaign money, House Dems had to raise it on their own and Pelosi did a very good job at that.

Plus why should they pi$$ their party leadership off on the first day of Congress - not a great way to start a career, plus it would have been a pretty meaningless gesture anyway. If you're a "longtime" House Dem and had beef with her in the past - Matheson, or other surviving Blue Dogs for example - one could understand it.

German citizen - Conservative by heart, non native english speaker


[ Parent ]
Agreed
People don't know who the Speaker is now, let alone several years ago. Pelosi was a weapon in 2010 because people hated the current congress. If you're Mike McIntyre or John Barrow and you've been beaten to death with Pelosi and didn't vote for her before, you won't vote for her now.  

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2

[ Parent ]
Rep. Blackburn
Roll Call ‏@rollcall
RT @j_strong: Rep. Blackburn did not vote the 1st round because she got a bloody nose and had to leave the chamber, she said.

R, CA-37; hometown: PA-2

Jones points to Amash as ringleader
http://www.rollcall.com/news/party_drama_dogs_boehner_into_113th-220548-1.html?zkMobileView=false

"Rep. Walter B. Jones of North Carolina, another member of the purged class, said Amash met individually with lawmakers “that were disillusioned by what is happened in the last few months” in a kind of spoke-and-wheel conspiracy in which participants only communicated with the Michigan lawmaker.

“Justin deserves a lot of credit, it was really one-on-one and whom else was involved, I don’t know,” said Jones, who voted for former U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker."



libertarian Republican, TX-14/MN-04

That's a strange alliance
Doesn't seem to me like those two have a whole lot in common ideologically.

42, R, NE-1.

[ Parent ]
Foreign Policy
They're probably the two most dovish members of the caucus now that Paul has left.

R, WV-1

[ Parent ]
Paulites
Both endorsed Ron Paul for president. In fact, a large portion of the ones who voted against Boehner were pretty libertarian (Massie, Amash, Yoho, Labrador and Stockman among them).

Bentivolio is an interesting exception: this is an interesting account on his vote: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?400177-Kerry-Bentivolio-explanation-on-the-Speaker-Boehner-Vote

Schweikert is another who has already been mentioned as a surprising vote.

libertarian Republican, TX-14/MN-04

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